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  Question Directed at Religious People

  by Mr. Falcon in

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  i'm currently dealing with some very religious jw family members and this has led to several "debates" (i hate to use the term debate, since it's more of a one-sided argument where they do nothing but reference watchtower publications, but whatever).. gotta be careful in what i'm about to ask, since there's been quite a bit of turmoil on here whenever there is a religion vs. science sort of discussion.

  i've searched on past threads as this topic has come up but haven't received any real answers one way or another.

  just lots of fighting.

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  Mr. Falcon

  "There's 3 races, ya see: The black, the white, and the yelluh. Noah had 3 sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. So the 3 races came from Noah's 3 sons."

  Short and concise.
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  Question Directed at Religious People

  by Mr. Falcon in

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  i'm currently dealing with some very religious jw family members and this has led to several "debates" (i hate to use the term debate, since it's more of a one-sided argument where they do nothing but reference watchtower publications, but whatever).. gotta be careful in what i'm about to ask, since there's been quite a bit of turmoil on here whenever there is a religion vs. science sort of discussion.

  i've searched on past threads as this topic has come up but haven't received any real answers one way or another.

  just lots of fighting.

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  Mr. Falcon

  American slavery was the first time slavery became race specific. Slavery was outlawed in Great Britain centuries before the U.S. colonies were formed. It needed to be bolstered. Slave owners argued that slavery was in accord with divine plans. Blacks were cursed.

  Good point, Band on the Run. I remember reading in history books about this too, how southern pro-slavery preachers frequently used the Ham account to justify slavery. But still the Bible doesn't say what skin color Ham was, does it? I mean if human history happened differently and Africans made slaves of white Europeans, would biblical history be re-told so that Ham was white?

  I would like to clarify something however, lest anyone think I'm sounding like Josef Goebbels right now -

  I believe that a human being is a human being, regardless of race. However, there ARE physical traits that vary from race to race. An Ethiopian couple wouldn't give birth to an Irish baby, no more than a Russian couple would have a Puerto Rican kid. Yet the Bible teaches that all humanity originated from Adam & Eve. I'm just trying to figure out how exactly religious persons reconcile this.
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  Question Directed at Religious People

  by Mr. Falcon in

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  i'm currently dealing with some very religious jw family members and this has led to several "debates" (i hate to use the term debate, since it's more of a one-sided argument where they do nothing but reference watchtower publications, but whatever).. gotta be careful in what i'm about to ask, since there's been quite a bit of turmoil on here whenever there is a religion vs. science sort of discussion.

  i've searched on past threads as this topic has come up but haven't received any real answers one way or another.

  just lots of fighting.

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  it was explained that A&E had the genetic code for all of the races and as they had kids, each one didn't get all of it, so as the families moved across the globe, the various races got spread that way.

  thanks, EP. I never heard that one, but it is just as good as any other reason I've heard from JWs. Again, is there any evidence for this? The theory of Adam & Eve's genetic code is a pretty bold hypothesis. I wonder what the person who told you this based it on.
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  Question Directed at Religious People

  by Mr. Falcon in

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  i'm currently dealing with some very religious jw family members and this has led to several "debates" (i hate to use the term debate, since it's more of a one-sided argument where they do nothing but reference watchtower publications, but whatever).. gotta be careful in what i'm about to ask, since there's been quite a bit of turmoil on here whenever there is a religion vs. science sort of discussion.

  i've searched on past threads as this topic has come up but haven't received any real answers one way or another.

  just lots of fighting.

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  No longer religous but when I was wasn't the thought that SOMEHOW noah had 3 sons and one HAPPENED to have africoid features, another HAPPENED to have asiatic features and one had your caucasoid features.

  same here, darth frosty. When asked I would always mumble some inaudible response about how Noah's sons were all different races or whatnot. But is this really the case? Is there any biblical evidence that points to Noah's son being black or somehow relocating to Africa where he became black or whatever? It's sounds so bizarre.

  I'm confused and I'm hoping some of the religious people on this board will offer their input (discreetly, so as not to start a riot, of course).
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  Question Directed at Religious People

  by Mr. Falcon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm currently dealing with some very religious jw family members and this has led to several "debates" (i hate to use the term debate, since it's more of a one-sided argument where they do nothing but reference watchtower publications, but whatever).. gotta be careful in what i'm about to ask, since there's been quite a bit of turmoil on here whenever there is a religion vs. science sort of discussion.

  i've searched on past threads as this topic has come up but haven't received any real answers one way or another.

  just lots of fighting.

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  Mr. Falcon

  haha sorry, cantleave. no fireworks this time.
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  Question Directed at Religious People

  by Mr. Falcon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm currently dealing with some very religious jw family members and this has led to several "debates" (i hate to use the term debate, since it's more of a one-sided argument where they do nothing but reference watchtower publications, but whatever).. gotta be careful in what i'm about to ask, since there's been quite a bit of turmoil on here whenever there is a religion vs. science sort of discussion.

  i've searched on past threads as this topic has come up but haven't received any real answers one way or another.

  just lots of fighting.

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  Mr. Falcon

  I'm currently dealing with some very religious JW family members and this has led to several "debates" (I hate to use the term debate, since it's more of a one-sided argument where they do nothing but reference Watchtower publications, but whatever).

  Gotta be careful in what I'm about to ask, since there's been quite a bit of turmoil on here whenever there is a religion vs. science sort of discussion. I've searched on past threads as this topic has come up but haven't received any real answers one way or another. Just lots of fighting. Here's my question that I'm directing towards all of you on here that consider yourself religious believers:

  If God did create Adam & Eve, how did the human family come to have such racial diversity?

  As an evolutionist, I know what I believe as regards to the origin of the races. I would like to honestly know how religious people feel about this.

  So as not to turn this into a all-out barfight, I ask that you religious folks PM me your response.

  I'm not looking to argue here, just looking for different points of view

  thanks.
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  Did Rutherford Really Have Rat Bites On His Body? Dead For Three Days Before Found?

  by ÁrbolesdeArabia in

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  i heard rutherford was dead for three days before anyone found him, has this been verified by outside sources?

  the rat bites creep me out, how could anyone leave a saint like him to die alone?

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  hahaha what? The only rat present at Rutherford's death was Rutherford himself.

  how could anyone leave a saint like him to die alone?

  Holy Troll, Batman!
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  Musings on today's dishonest text.

  by Slidin Fast in

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  Mr. Falcon

  Let me get this straight.....

  FDS = 144,000 (+ "food at the proper time) = God's Word = God's Law + Active Force = God

  so.... the Governing Body is made up of imperfect men, so sometimes they are wrong, but they interpret God's Word and are His channel, so therefore what they say equates to God's Word.

  But God is never wrong. Sometimes the GB is; they are imperfect men. But they give God's "food" to us, which is God's Word. And His Word is perfect. So the GB is perfect. And.. I... I.... <WARNING> SYSTEM OVERLOAD ERROR 100101101...... HIT F8 TO CONTIN.... ERR&3... S?STEM F9IL)RE

  
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  First public talk as an "apostate"

  by Borges in

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  i gave a lot of talks as a jw.

  beeing the only elder in a cong for almost three years, i've been on the platform at every meeting (also at ca and dc).

  but thats long ago.

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  Mr. Falcon

  What point of counsel are you working on?
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  Something to Think About

  by Mr. Falcon in

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  how will it seem years from now when all that we cherish and believe will become as dusty exhibits in a museum?

  we are constantly finding ourselves in different states of being, between breakfast and dinner.

  perhaps, even that final snack before we are carried off in a realm of terrifying heights or ages undreamed of.

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  I must object, New Chapter, to your rather shallow generalization that all of us simply exist in a sort of temporal curb-side state of flux, waiting for that chilled blast of fruit punch to wash forth upon our faces.

  However, your delectable metaphor of gravy being a sort of "soothing balm" for life's problems give one a rather dsytopian, yet wildly-accurate, view of reality. Sure, the gravy softens the sharp vertices of life, but ultimately it can cost us more than we are prepared to exchange for that relief.